(V5,P191-192,L16-25,1-8)
SMITH: "Ms. Wines, would you please state your full name for the record?"
WINES: "Lynnette R. Wines."
SMITH: ". . Ms. Wines, where do you reside?"
WINES: "In Everett, Washington."
SMITH: "How far is that from here?"
WINES: ". . OVER 2,000 MILES."
SMITH: ". . When did you arrive here in Tyler?"
WINES: "ON THE 19TH."
COMMENT: 10 DAYS PRIOR.
SMITH: ". . how did you get here?"
WINES: "I FLEW TO DALLAS AND THEN A FRIEND OF MINE LET ME SPEND THE NIGHT AND THEN I - - SHE DROVE ME HERE TO TYLER."
SMITH: "ARE YOU HERE SUBJECT TO A SUBPOENA FROM AL PETTY OR TELECOM 2000?"
WINES: "No, I'm not."
SMITH: "DID AL PETTY PAY YOUR WAY HERE OR HAS HE PAID YOUR EXPENSES?"
WINES: "NO."
(V5,P193-194,L1-2,10-14,17-19)
WINES: ". . I was really trying to find something that I could stay home with."
WINES: ". . I HAD DECIDED TO COME IN AS A PRO TEN BECAUSE I HAD REALIZED THAT COMING IN AS A PRO TEN THAT IN SIX MONTHS I WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DEBT FREE."
SMITH: "DEBT FREE IN HOW LONG? SIX MONTHS?"
WINES: "Yes."
SMITH: "I want to give you a ballpark figure and ask you if $30,426.94 is about the amount of money that you have INVESTED in your businesses in TeleCom 2000?"
COMMENT: NO "INVESTORS"! JOHN R. SMITH'S "COUNSEL INEFFICIENCY".
(V5,P195-196,excerpts L4-25,L1-3)
SMITH: "Okay. Now, when you entered into the first business, what was the - - was that business for a period of 179 days or six months?"
WINES: "Yes."
COMMENT: 2 YRS! ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF "COUNSEL INEFFICIENCY"! JOHN R. SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT A PRO10 CONTRACT WAS FOR A TOTAL PERIOD OF 2 YEARS!
SMITH: ". . when you entered into that contract with TeleCom 2000, were you given a pay schedule of when you would receive checks?
WINES: "Yes."
SMITH: "And did you in fact receive those checks in accordance with your contract?"
WINES: "YES, I DID."
SMITH: "You said that you came in in September of 2001 and figured that you could be debt free in six months."
WINES: "Yes."
SMITH: "Okay. Did anyone encourage you in any way to take your money and re-invest it? I mean, were you pressured in any way to re-invest the money from your contracts?"
WINES: "Oh, no, no. It just seemed to me the wise thing to do."
SMITH: "Okay. And so up until the time that the money was frozen on April 4th, had your contracts been honored by TeleCom 2000 and Al Petty?"
WINES: "Everything up until then, yes."
SMITH: "All right. And are you looking forward to future association with TeleCom 2000?'
WINES: "ABSOLUTELY. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS."
CROSS EXAMINATION BY MS. KENNER
(V5,P196-197,L16-25,1-10,excerpts 17-25)
WINES: ". . Many people I knew didn't have a lot of money and I saw that this could also help them, so I did want to - - I used some of the money to help get them in."
KENNER: "You used some of the money that you were receiving from TeleCom 2000?"
WINES: "Yes."
KENNER: "And you - - when you say helped them, did you buy their sponsorships for them?"
WINES: "I sponsored them in, yes."
KENNER: "And I'm sorry, I did not ask that very clearly. Did you purchase their investments for them?
WINES: "No. I sponsored them in and brought them a business."
KENNER: "Oh, so you paid their initial investment for the purchase of a business?"
WINES: "I purchased a business. You don't invest in businesses. You - - you buy them."
HANNAH: "Well, did you pay the money for these other people?"
COMMENT: (MUST BE "DEER FEVER"!) JUDGE WAS DETERMINED THAT TELECOM 2000 BE PRESENTED AS SOMETHING IT WAS NOT, AN 'INVESTMENT BROKERAGE' OR 'INVESTMENT' OPPORTUNITY!
WINES: "YES. YES, I DID."
HANNAH: "ALL RIGHT."
KENNER: "Well, have you bought businesses for 17 people?"
COMMENT: Another example of KENNER'S MISLEADING the Jury!
KENNER: "So you personally purchased businesses for 17 people?
WINES: "you know, actually, no, I think - - going back to remember, I said I had gotten 17 people in that have come into the company. In other words, I have sponsored them but not paid their way in."
(V5,P198,L2-8)
WINES: "There are two avenues with TeleCom. You can go ahead and let Al do all the work or you can get the number out and then when you get the number out they call and then they leave your name, and when they leave your name, then we get paid for referring that person. So it's been so long since I've seen that tape, I guess it was 17 people that I had gotten in, sponsored in, but did not pay their way."
(V5,P199,L16-23)
KENNER: "And who were the Pro Two's?
WINES: "One of the Pro Two's was a lady, Ron and Lillian Mill - - I don't remember. They're people I met on the Internet and they were very destitute and needed some help desperately. I don't know them very well, but I just knew that I could help them and that they would appreciate it, you know. And the OTHER WAS MY VERY BEST GIRLFRIEND WHO HAD JUST LOST HER JOB, DIANE STOKES."
COMMENT: THAT'S WHAT AL PETTY-TELECOM 2000 WAS ALL ABOUT!
(V5,P200,excerpts L4-22)
KENNER: "You were still coming out ahead because you were making $3,625."
WINES: "Well, yes, exactly. I have never seen any program like that. This is fantastic. Al's a genius."
KENNER: "Well, did you also sponsor a woman named Yvonne Reid into the program?"
WINES: "Yes, I did."
KENNER: "And did you know - - well, when you first contacted Ms. Reid did you know that her husband was dying of cancer?"
WINES: "Yes. Well, no, I've known Yvonne before her husband had cancer and I knew her through his cancer and she had - - and he died, so before she came into TeleCom, HE HAD ALREADY DIED."
WINES: ". . . I knew that she was a widow woman and she needed help and so I told her about TeleCom 2000, because it helped me so much and so many others."
(V5,P201,L5-20)
WINES: "One of my friends, Terry McLaughlin, he sent me a fax."
KENNER: "Was it an unsolicited fax?"
WINES: "No, it wasn't, because he's a friend of mine. He said I want you to - - he said I want you to check this out and I'll fax it to you."
KENNER: "And what was your understanding from Mr. McLaughlin about how - - how the TeleCom 2000 program worked?"
COMMENT: BACK TO THE DOCTOR-CLIENT "HOW DO YOU DO IT, DOC?" WOW!
WINES: "Well, he didn't know. You just get on the calls and you listen and - - "
COMMENT: AL PETTY DID NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO MISREPRESENT HIM BY "SELLING AND DESCRIBING" - ONLY BY GETTING THE # OUT!
KENNER: "Did you start listening on the calls?"
WINES: "I LISTENED. YES, I LISTENED TO THE SEVEN MINUTE RECORDED CALL AND THEN I LISTENED TO THE CONFERENCE CALL, AND I ALSO GOT ALL THE INFORMATION AND I STUDIED IT AND I READ IT, AND FROM WHAT I COULD UNDERSTAND, IT LOOKED ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS I HAD BEEN IN THE LAST 18 YEARS.."
(V5,P202-203,L1-25,L1-6)
KENNER: "What type businesses did you - - "
WINES: ". . I was in Mary Kay Cosmetics for about three years. . . I worked very hard. A lot of the marketing programs out there aren't really made for the little guy, so I - -"
KENNER: "Let's talk about Mary Kay for a moment. With the Mary Kay home-based business, it's my understanding that you sell a product."
WINES: "Yes."
KENNER: "And you're working under sort of a corporate - - an organization where someone sponsors you and you work and part of your profits goes to them but it also goes up to the home office of Mary Kay?"
WINES: "I guess so. I don't - - actually, yeah, I guess it's a multi level. There are different levels in that, yeah."
KENNER: "But the profits that you made were based upon the sales of the products, weren't they?"
WINES: "Right. But the marketing system was really different. I don't know. They might have changed it by now. This was in the eighties that I was in that, so I really couldn't tell you what it is now. BUT I KNEW AT THE TIME I WORKED VERY HARD AND I BOUGHT A LOT OF PRODUCT AND DIDN'T MAKE VERY MUCH MONEY AND ENDED UP IN MY TAXES, TO BE ABLE TO WITHDRAW, YOU KNOW, TO SUBTRACT ABOUT $10,000 WORTH OF BUYING PRODUCT AND EVERYTHING. SO I REALLY DON'T LIKE MULTI LEVEL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU. . . not a - - I wouldn't go into another one.
COMMENT: BUT MARY KAY IS STILL PRODUCING FAILURES SUCH AS LYNN WINES. THE GOVERNMENT ALLOWS THAT!
KENNER: "Well, it was a lot of work, wasn't it?"
WINES: "Well, I didn't mind the work. If there was a significant amount that you could actually make without having to be gone all the time. I had children at that time, at least my daughter was home."
(V5,P203-205,L13-25,1-18,L1-3)
KENNER: ". . The contract that you signed with TeleCom 2000 did not require you to do anything."
WINES: "Well - - well, I bought my businesses. I actually hired Al Petty to work my business."
KENNER: "SO BY SIGNING THIS CONTRACT, YOU HIRED MR. PETTY TO MARKET YOUR BUSINESS?"
WINES: "RIGHT, AND I BOUGHT ONE CELL PHONE FOR ME AND ONE CELL PHONE FOR MY DAUGHTER AND ONE LONG DISTANCE FOR ME AND ONE LONG DISTANCE FOR MY HUSBAND. SO I DID GET MY LONG DISTANCE AND MY CELL PHONE. I BOUGHT THOSE. AND I BOUGHT THE MARKETING. THAT'S WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT THIS COMPANY IS YOU CAN HIRE - - I BOUGHT THE BUSINESS TO HAVE - - PAID AL PETTY TO ACTUALLY MARKET IT FOR ME FOR THE TELEPHONE CALLS AND THE CONFERENCE CALLS. He puts a lot of work into it, AND AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T MIND GETTING THE NUMBER OUT AND HELPING PEOPLE GET INTO A COMPANY - -"
KENNER: "I think we're drifting a little far afield here, ma'am.
COMMENT: YEAH! AL PETTY HAS A WITNESS ATTEMPTING TO TELL THE JURY THE TRUTH! THAT IS "DRIFTING AFIELD!" HM!!
KENNER: "Back to the requirements of your contract with TeleCom 2000, you signed up for cell phone and long distance?"
WINES: "Uh-huh."
KENNER: "Is that correct?"
WINES: "Uh-huh."
KENNER: "And as part of signing up for cell phone and long distance, you actually paid your providers yourself, is that correct?"
WINES: "Yes, we paid the providers in the first - - the month."
KENNER: Well, you paid them every month, didn't you? I mean, you got the bill from them and you had to pay it, is that correct."
WINES: "I DID BUT AL PETTY REIMBURSED ME AFTER THE FIRST MONTH."
KENNER: "Part of the proceeds that you received from TeleCom 2000 were denominated as reimbursement."
WINES: "Exactly."
WINES: "I could 'get the telephone number out'."
KENNER: "And you did that, didn't you, ma'am?"
WINES: "Yes."
(V5,P208,L4-10,P209,L22-25,P210,excerpts L1-25,P211,L1-5,11-12)
HANNAH: "Why don't you - - "
WINES: "We were - - "
HANNAH: "Ma'am, why don't you just go ahead and read that for us now."
WINES: "Yes, Your Honor."
COMMENT: ("DEER MATING" IS CALLING!)
HANNAH: "And then your lawyer can ask you other questions."
COMMENT: THAT'S A "STATEMENT W/O BASIS - IN - FACTS". JOHN R. SMITH PROVED TO BE TOO INEFFICIENT to follow through. AND he held Lynn Wines in total contempt and "made fun of her" - even blaming her - in part - for HIS Loss of the trial!
KENNER: ". . as I understand your testimony, you invested in a Pro One through Ten in August of 2001."
WINES: ". . I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM AND I DID not understand the investment stuff. We do not invest in this company, and that is why I stopped using this, because it's not an investment. It's buying businesses, and so I just wanted to let you know."
COMMENT: FINALLY TRACI SUCCUMBS TO TRUTH!
KENNER: "OKAY. I'LL USE THE TERMINOLOGY THAT YOU'RE USING THERE. YOU BOUGHT TEN BUSINESSES."
WINES: "Yes."
KENNER: "And did you receive the payout for your Pro One through Ten?"
WINES: "Yes, I did."
KENNER: ". . did you begin participating or did you participate in the conference calls on any kind of regular basis?
WINES: "Yes, yes."
KENNER: ". . it's my understanding that there were two pin numbers with which one could access the conference calls.
WINES: "Yes."
KENNER: "Which - - well, did you have the pin number for the people at large or for the ones that Mr. Petty wanted to make sure got through?"
COMMENT: WHAT IS THIS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS "SPEAKERS COPE" ALL ABOUT? YOU CAN'T HAVE 2,000 PERSONS ON OPEN LINE AT THE SAME TIME? ANY IDIOT KNOWS THAT. LISTEN TO ANY TALK SHOW OR CONFERENCE CALL WITH MORE THAN 20 PERSONS ON IT!
WINES: "There are - - there's the leadership call so you wouldn't get a lot of static and after awhile I did get the leadership pin, yes."
KENNER: "And you were satisfied?"
WINES: "Yes."
(V5,P213,L11-17,P214,L15-25,P215,L1-4)
KENNER: "AND WE SEE THAT THIS investment would have paid out around August 23rd of 2002."
WINES: "Pardon?"
KENNER: "This investment - - THIS PURCHASE WOULD HAVE PAID OUT - - "
WINES: "YES."
KENNER: "ON AUGUST 23RD OF 2002."
WINES: "Yes, it would have if you hadn't closed the funds, yes."
KENNER: ". . how many checks did you receive on this investment?"
COMMENT: The following is an example of who received "irreparable hardship". The government certainly did NOT!
WINES: "I received my Quick Cash, but along with all of my March checks, from my sponsoring and everything, we got - - I went to Florida in March and then when I came home I took all my March checks and I put them in the bank April 2nd or April 1st, and they all cleared the bank and I paid off a lot of credit cards and got things like that.
Anyhow, when I came up April 11th to the hearing I called the bank to try to get some money here and I couldn't get any. I was minus $10,098 because you froze the money, and that was all my money and you just froze it, so I - - it caused a lot of hardship there.
COMMENT: NO COMMENT ON HER ACT OF CALLOUSNESS TO THIS BUSINESS OWNER "VICTIM" SHE EXPRESSED SO MUCH "RESTITUTIONAL - CONCERN" FOR! WOW!
KENNER: "Ms. Wines, have you heard of anything called the Business Owners Action Committee?
(V5,P215,L11-25,P216,L1-7,L15-20)
KENNER: ". . have y'all been raising funds for Mr. Petty's defense?"
WINES: "WE'VE BEEN RAISING FUNDS FOR OUR BUSINESSES TO DEFEND THIS COMPANY BECAUSE THIS IS OUR MONEY. THIS IS OUR MONEY."
KENNER: "BUT THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO FINANCE MR. PETTY'S defense, is that correct?"
WINES: "WELL, WHEN IT DEFENDS HIM, IT'S DEFENDING OUR COMPANY, IT'S DEFENDING ALL OF US."
KENNER: "BECAUSE MR. PETTY IS TELECOM 2000 NETWORK BASICALLY, ISN'T HE?"
WINES: "He's the man that developed it. He's a genius. He's a genius with figures. He's a genius in music. And his technology, the world needs TeleCom 2000. It really does, with all the corporate things going on today. He's an honest, Godly man."
KENNER: "I understand that you are a true believer in Mr. Petty, Ms. Wines."
WINES: "I'M A TRUE BELIEVER IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FIRST."
KENNER: "Well, that's great, ma'am. But my question was are you a true believer in Mr. Petty?"
COMMENT: WHAT KIND OF QUESTION WAS THAT AFTER WHAT LYNN WINES JUST EPOUSED!?
WINES: "I believe in - - I care about Al. I care about the company. It's an awesome company. It's the best company I have ever seen."
COMMENT: And John R. Smith ridiculed this honest and sincere witness!
KENNER: ". . have you invested in or have you contributed to the legal defense fund?"
COMMENT: "IRREPERABLE HARM"!
WINES: "I don't have any money since I was minus 10,000. I HAVE SCRAPED TOGETHER $200 TO GIVE TO THE LEGAL FUND, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN IT. I BELIEVE IN THE COMPANY. I BELIEVE IN AL PETTY. I BELIEVE - - "
KENNER: ". . you do, in the event that Mr. Petty is acquitted, expect to receive the remainder of your $97,780, is that right?"
WINES: "Yes. Yes, I do."
(V5,P217,L11-25,P218,L5-11,P219,L1-13)
KENNER: "What is your understanding of how he was able to generate this revenue?"
WINES: "Well, I really don't understand it all. I just know that it works."
KENNER: "You know that it works because you received the checks?"
WINES: "Well, I knew - - I knew that it works, yeah, because non of us are victims.
KENNER: "That's not my question, Ms. Wines."
COMMENT: THAT WAS HER QUESTION!
WINES: "BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. WE'RE ALL GETTING PAID."
KENNER: "You're all getting paid?"
WINES: "Yes, absolutely."
KENNER: "so you don't - - "
WINES: "It works when so many other businesses never worked. I worked so hard and never made any money. The big - - the companies made a lot of money, you know."
KENNER: "But you don't understand how it works, you just know that it works?"
WINES: "Yes. Just like I don't know electricity or microwave ovens. How does that microwave oven work? Do you know? I don't know. I don't have to - - I don't have to know everything. I don't know how Mary Kay works. I just know it didn't work for me but it works for some people."
COMMENT: TRUTH!
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. SMITH
SMITH: ". . did all of those - - until the Government froze the funds, did all of those contracts pay off as represented?"
WINES: "Yes."
SMITH: "DO YOU CONSIDER THAT OR TELECOM 2000 SOME TYPE OF UNLAWFUL SCHEME?"
WINES: "I NEVER - - I NEVER DID, NEVER DID. After hearing all of the calls and everything and after praying about it and everything, for the - - you know, to this point you want to make sure that you don't blow your money like I've done so many OTHER TIMES, YES."
SMITH: "OKAY. DO YOU CONSIDER AS WE SIT HERE TODAY ANYTHING ABOUT TELECOM 2000 AS BEING SOME TYPE OF UNLAWFUL SCHEME?"
WINES: "ABSOLUTELY NOT."
