(V5,P220,L6-8,15-20)
RILEY: "My name is Nicholas Leroy Riley."
SMITH: "MR. RILEY, WHERE DO YOU RESIDE?"
RILEY: "I LIVE IN SAN ANGELO, TEXAS."
SMITH: ". . WERE YOU SUBPOENAED BY AL PETTY OR TELECOM 2000 TO COME HERE AND TESTIFY?"
RILEY: "NO, SIR, I WAS NOT."
SMITH: "DID AL PETTY PAY FOR OR DID TELECOM 2000 PAY FOR ANY OF YOUR EXPENSES IN COMING UP HERE?"
RILEY: "NO, SIR, THEY DID NOT."
(V5,P221,L13-25,P222,excerpts L1-25)
SMITH: "Would you relate briefly for the jury how you came to be in contact with either Mr. Petty or TeleCom 2000?"
RILEY: "Well, I received a fax . . . It was outlining a program where I could get telephone service for two cents a minute. I could get cell phone service for about three cents a minute, and IT WAS THOSE TWO INGREDIENTS THAT INTRIGUED ME TO MAKE A TOLL FREE CALL. And on that call was about a 14 minute explanation of TeleCom 2000 and what it was doing. And I listened to it and I thought, my goodness, that sounds really great. I listened to it AGAIN and I took down notes and then I went back and I listened to this 14 minute message the THIRD TIME and checked my notes. I thought, you know, this thing is really good, THIS THING COULD REALLY WORK."
So at that point in time I then made a phone call and left a message at the end of it for further information to get what they called "The Rest of the Story" which were applications and more so that I could come into TeleCom 2000 and be able to purchase one of the businesses."
SMITH: "Okay. And at a point in time did you in effect purchase businesses?"
RILEY: "Yes, sir, I did."
SMITH: "One or more?"
RILEY: "I purchased two to start with."
RILEY: ". . . I think it was June the 14th of 2001 - - no, 2000."
SMITH: ". . . did TeleCom 2000 provide you with the telephone service, the long distance telephone service?"
RILEY: "They did. They gave me free long distance. When I came in and purchased the business, I got one year of long distance totally free. I got one year cell phone service totally free. That's not really true. I got 11 months. I had to purchase the first month in order to get everything, you know, in the works and get it moving but then I got - - 11 months was free on both long distance and the cell phone service.
SMITH: "And were the fees charged for those services less than or more than you would pay anywhere else?"
(V5,P223,excerpts L1-25)
RILEY: "Oh, my goodness, free is as about as cheap as you can get."
SMITH: ". . . Did your business relationship with TeleCom 2000 really consist of a contract with TeleCom and/or Al Petty?"
RILEY: "Well, the contract was with TeleCom 2000 but Al Petty was the founder of it, and it was a six month contract, and at the end of six months, I could either continue on and buy other businesses or I could go down the road with the profit that I had earned and my free long distance and my free cell phone. But when you're getting something free and you're reimbursed for everything, there's no reason to ever leave."
SMITH: "So at the end of six months - - let's say the first six month period your contract had been fulfilled?"
RILEY: "Yes, sir, that is correct."
SMITH: "And even after that, you were still getting some benefits as a result of that first six month contract?"
RILEY: "That is true."
SMITH: "Okay. And at a later time did you also increase and buy other businesses?"
RILEY: "Yes, sir, I did."
SMITH: "Okay. And I would like to ask you that until - - and YOU ARE AWARE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S FREEZE ON THE ASSETS, ARE YOU NOT?"
RILEY: "I MOST DEFINITELY AM."
(V5,P224,excerpts L1-25,P225,L1-19))
SMITH: "UP UNTIL THAT TIME, HAVE YOU BEEN PAID IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REPRESENTATIONS MADE BY TELECOM 2000?"
RILEY: "UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT SEIZED THE FUNDS, I HAD RECEIVED ALL MONIES THAT WAS DUE ME."
SMITH: "OKAY. DO YOU CONSIDER NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED TELECOM 2000 SOME TYPE OF UNLAWFUL SCHEME?"
RILEY: "Absolutely not. I checked it out. . . I was putting some money into buying a business and I wanted - - didn't want to lose it, so I did a little bit of checking. AND TO MY SATISFACTION, EVERYTHING WAS LEGITIMATE AND WAS ABOVE BOARD."
SMITH: "AT THE END OF THE SIX MONTHS, THE INITIAL SIX MONTH PERIOD, DID ANYBODY PUT ANY PRESSURE ON YOU TO RE-INVEST YOUR MONEY?"
RILEY: "OH, MY GOODNESS, NO."
SMITH: "AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN YOU UPGRADE ARE THERE WARNINGS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER UPGRADING BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY RE-INVEST, DON'T GO BEYOND YOUR MEANS?"
RILEY: "WELL, YES, THAT'S TRUE . . . IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, DON'T DO IT, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE - - AND I'VE HEARD THIS SAID ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE DOUBTS, IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF FEARS, DON'T COME INTO THE PROGRAM. LISTEN TO A FEW MORE CONFERENCE CALLS AND IF YOU NEVER COME TO THAT SATISFACTION WHERE YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS FOR YOU, DON'T EVER COME IN. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER ON CALL AFTER CALL."
SMITH: ". . Let's go back so the jury doesn't have any misunderstanding so we all know about the Better Business Bureau. You said there was one minor glitch at a point in time?"
RILEY: "IT WAS SOME COMPANY THAT AL HAD HAD AND THE GUY WAS SUPPOSED TO - - AND I'M NOT SURE ON THIS. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW. BUT HE WAS EITHER SUPPOSED TO GET A TELEVISION OR A COMPUTER AND HE GOT THE OPPOSITE."
SMITH: "OKAY. SO IS THAT THE ONE WHERE HE SENT OUT A COMPUTER AND THE PERSON THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A TELEVISION?"
RILEY: "YES, THAT'S IT."
SMITH: "AND WHEN HE PLUGGED IT IN (COMMENT: THE COMPUTER!), THE TELEVISION WOULDN'T WORK?"
RILEY: "YES."
SMITH: "SO HE COMPLAINED TO THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU?"
RILEY: "THAT'S THE ONE, SIR."
CROSS EXAMINATION BY MARCHESSAULT
(V5,P227,excerpts L4-25)
MARCHESSAULT: ". . . you were guaranteed this return in six months, $315,000 in a six month period."
RILEY: "No, that's not quite true. I had purchased businesses along the way."
MARCHESSAULT: "Yes, I stand corrected."
RILEY: "I purchased 53 of them at one time, but Mr. Petty had put a cap on it at 50, and so when I decided to go on up, I had already been paid out on three of them. So then I did that."
MARCHESSAULT: ". . . are you aware of any other business or investment in the world that promises a guaranteed return, which is in this case at least 500 percent in a period of six months?"
COMMENT: A LIE! 250% IN 6 MONTHS, 500% ANNUALIZED! GREGG KNEW HE WAS LYING!
RILEY: "WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I COULD USE THE WORD GUARANTEE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF JOINT VENTURE AGREEMENTS WITH HIGH YIELDS THAT PURCHASE - - THAT THE YIELD IS IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED PERCENT PER MONTH."
MARCHESSAULT: "YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE BANK NOTE SCHEMES."
(V5,P228,L1-25)
RILEY: "NO, SIR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A SCHEME."
MARCHESSAULT: "WELL, IF YOU WOULD, SHARE WITH ME, SO I CAN INVEST, IF YOU CAN TELL ME WHERE WE CAN GET A HUNDRED PERCENT PER MONTH RETURN."
COMMENT: WHAT A FARCE! HE CERTAINLY DID NOT "INVEST" IN TTN. HE SHUT IT DOWN!
RILEY: "Well, I don't know the names of the companies. I don't have that information at my hand right now."
MARCHESSAULT: "But you're saying that there are guaranteed returns of a hundred percent per month."
COMMENT: KNOWING HOW CONNIVING GREGG IS, I'M SURE HE HEARD NICK SAY THEY WERE NOT GUARANTEED. HAPPENS EVERY DAY ON STOCK MARKET! NO ONE SHUTS THEM DOWN!
RILEY: "I DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE GUARANTEED. That's what I said, I TRIED TO QUALIFY THAT. I DID NOT SAY THEY WERE GUARANTEED."
MARCHESSAULT: "So they're highly speculative. Would that be a fair statement?"
COMMENT: LIKE THE STOCK MARKET, MUTUALS, ENRON, WORLDCOM AND THE LIST GROWS DAILY.
RILEY: "I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE."
MARCHESSAULT: "Now, in this case - - well, just to, if you will, draw a comparison between what you said. You mentioned you're aware of cases where it's one hundred percent return but highly speculative. What we're talking about now is Mr. Petty's business where it's a 500 percent (COMMENT: ANNUALIZED) return absolutely guaranteed. That's what was represented, wasn't it?"
COMMENT: DELIVERED! NOT "REPRESENTED"!
RILEY: "It was."
MARCHESSAULT: "Okay. Are you aware of any place where you can get a 500 percent return that's absolutely guaranteed?
RILEY: "No, sir."
COMMENT: THAT'S CALLED A "REVOLUTIONARY TECHNOLOGICAL BREAKTHROUGH"! THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE QUESTION COULD HAVE BEEN ASKED "DO YOU KNOW OF ANY PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GET; 1) A LIGHT BULB, 2) A HORSELESS CARRIAGE, 3) AN AIRPLANE, 4) A TELEVISION, 5) TELEPHONE, 6) COMPUTER, 7) AUDIO RECORDER, 8) VIDEO RECORDER, 9) MICROWAVE, 10) CAMERA, 11) CELL PHONE, 12) WEB SITE & THOUSANDS OF OTHER EXAMPLES OF HOW "LEADING - MISLEADING & FALSE THAT QUESTION WAS! IF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN AS CORRUPT THEN AS THEY ARE NOW, WE WOULD HAVE NO TELEPHONES, AUTOMOBILES, ELECTRICITY, AND ON & ON!
MARCHESSAULT: "Now, you mentioned you're a man who's been in business awhile."
(V5,P229,L1-4,10-19)
RILEY: "Yes, sir."
MARCHESSAULT: "WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, DID THE THOUGHT GO THROUGH YOUR MIND THAT THIS IS JUST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?"
RILEY: "IN FACT, PROBABLY THOSE VERY WORDS."
COMMENT: AS IN EVERY ONE OF THE PRECEEDING MEANINGFUL ILLUSTRATIONS, MAN FLYING? TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? LOOK UP THE WRIGHT BROTHERS!
MARCHESSAULT: "Now, you listened to the conference calls. Is that a fair statement?"
RILEY: "Fair statement."
MARCHESSAULT: "Did you hear other INVESTORS talk about the success that they had experienced in TeleCom 2000?"
RILEY: "WE DON'T HAVE ANY INVESTORS. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT PURCHASED BUSINESSES."
MARCHESSAULT: "Okay. If you like to call them business owners, I'll call them business owners.
RILEY: "Okay. Thank you."
(V5,P230-231,L4-17,25,1-20)
MARCHESSAULT: "In other words, the first time you heard it you necessarily didn't believe it?"
COMMENT: SEE PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT WRIGHT BROTHERS.
RILEY: "Well, I was brought up to never believe everything you hear, only half of what you see. And I - - after checking and listening and finding that EVERYBODY WAS SATISFIED, THERE WERE NO MALCONTENTS IN THE ORGANIZATION, it appeared to me that everything was legitimate, that it was above board and honest, it was ethical, and those are the words and things I like to be associated with. And THAT'S WHEN I became very, very serious and that's when I started to upgrade, because I felt sure that MY INVESTMENT WAS GOING TO BE SECURED, IT WAS GOING TO BE SAFE, AND MY YIELD WAS GOING TO BE THERE AND EVERYTHING HAPPENED JUST EXACTLY AS I SAID THUS FAR UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT STEPPED IN AND SEIZED THE FUNDS.
MARCHESSAULT: ". . The life of your business was six months, is that right?"
RILEY: "Excuse me?"
MARCHESSAULT: "The life of your business that was purchased with Mr. Petty was six months?"
RILEY: "Yes, sir."
MARCHESSAULT: "And then it would pay off, is that correct?
RILEY: "Yes. A little bit paid off at the time but most of the money came in six months, and then there was another six months where I still going to receive free long distance and free cell phone service."
MARCHESSAULT: "YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAS COME TO MIND. A NUMBER OF WITNESSES HAVE COMMENTED THAT THESE ARE NOT INVESTMENTS BUT THEY'RE BUSINESSES AND THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD ALWAYS REFER TO IT?"
RILEY: "We were never told to refer or anything. It's a stated fact and it was always stated that we were purchasing something in the contract with Al Petty. IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE NOT BEEN BRIEFED. COMMENT: UNLIKE EVERY WITNESS FOR THE GOVERNMENT - PLUS EXPENSES PAID! WE HAVE NOT BEEN BRAINWASHED. WE HAVE NOT HAD WORDS PUT IN OUR MOUTH TO SAY THOSE AND SO, SO THAT WE COULD AVOID YOU BEING ABLE TO MAKE A SPECIFIC POINT."
(V5,P232,L2-25)
MARCHESSAULT: "In January. That was a Saturday afternoon session. I'm just going to read this to you, sir, and if I misstate anything, you correct me, please."
Mr. Petty: "Five, you know, those five which belongs to you, the first two, we do the same thing here, (indicating), so when these - - when this one, (indicating), gets two and then these two get two each, which you for the first two you've got four, right?"
NOW, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE but he was explaining the genealogy chart. Do you recall all this at this time."
RILEY: "Not specifically, no, sir."
COMMENT: THE REASON IT "DOESN'T MAKE SENSE" TO GREGG IS THE SAME REASON A GEOMETRY FORMULA WOULD NOT "MAKE SENSE" TO A 2ND GRADE MATH STUDENT. THE VIDEO, "TEACHING THE TEACHERS", WAS JUST THAT! 2ND GRADE STUDENTS ARE NOT GEOMETRY TEACHERS OR STUDENTS! GREGG WAS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE INVITED TO THAT SEMINAR, NOR TO WATCH THE VIDEO! THE SAME APPLIED TO TRACI, HERSLEY, HERRARA, JUDGES WARD & HANNAH. THAT SESSION WAS ONLY FOR TELECOM 2000 BUSINESS OWNERS!
MARCHESSAULT: "Four, and when those four get two each, you've got eight and we're (COMMENT: TTN MARKETING SERVICES) putting those in for you to the degree that we're generating the income just like an advertising agency would generate the income with increased sales. Sales of what? Sales of businesses. That's what I hope y'all - - y'all have really got to get this clear about this business thing, because sooner or later when we've got probably two or 300 millionaires in this group, you can rest assured the jealous eyes of the Government - - governmental agencies are going to be down your neck and down ours, and it's important that you understand what you're buying. What are you buying?
And what did the audience members yell back?"
RILEY: "A business, it looks like."
COMMENT: I DIDN'T HEAR "IT LOOKS LIKE".
(V5,P233,L1-25,P234,L1-3)
MARCHESSAULT: "OKAY. SO YOU HAVE NOT BEEN BRIEFED NOR TOLD BY MR. PETTY NOR OTHERS TO USE THE TERM BUSINESS."
COMMENT: NO ONE WAS "BRIEFED" FOR THE TRIAL! ONLY BY THE GOVERNMENT. WHAT WOULD GREGG SAY IF, INSTEAD OF CALLING HIM AN ATTORNEY, SOMEONE CALLED HIM A "CIRCUS BARKER"? HE IS AN ATTORNEY. TELECOM 2000 IS A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS AND SHOULD NOT BE REFERRED TO AS ANYTHING ELSE!
RILEY: "It never came to my mind."
MARCHESSAULT: "But you attended this conference, didn't you?"
RILEY: "That is true."
MARCHESSAULT: Now, you've already discuss the returns that were being paid of upward to 500 to 1300 percent. Do you know where Mr. Petty was getting the money to make these payments?'
RILEY: "The best way I can answer that is I don't know how the business was generated and I don't know how the money was generated to Mr. Petty. I do know he has a formula and I have been told it's quite elaborate, quite extensive. I do know he said that he worked months and months and months before he found the correct formula that would work so that there wouldn't be a depleted amount of money so that we would always have money.
I do know that what you had up on the chart, that one of Al Petty's goals was to bring about within the organization 1,000 millionaires, and that his intent the whole time as far as I'm concerned was that he wanted to see people of modest means be able to have enough money - - not to become independently wealthy but to have enough money so that they didn't have to worry for one month or three months, and if they got sick or their car broke down or something, they were going to have the means to take care of it.
Now, this is what I saw coming in. This is what I feel that Al Petty was trying to accomplish, and I just simply believe - - "
(V5,P234-235,L4-25,L1-10)
MARCHESSAULT: "Sir, I hate to interrupt you, but my question was do you know where he got the money?"
RILEY: "I do not."
MARCHESSAULT: "That's what I was looking for, sir. (COMMENT: TRASH IS ALL HE EVER "LOOKED FOR"!) Now, you mentioned, though, that Mr. Petty had spent months, I think five months is the term I heard at least in one of the tapes, working on this, coming up with these charts. Did you hear the same thing at the conference you attended?"
RILEY: "Possibly, but I don't remember the exact months."
MARCHESSAULT: "Did you attend the Sunday morning worship session?"
RILEY: "I did."
MARCHESSAULT: "Do you recall the discussion of this being a God inspired program?"
RILEY: "I don't know if I remember the term God inspired, but we were all in agreement that there was - - we had never seen an organization where there were so many people that professed the belief in God all gathered together in one organization. I also remember Al Petty saying I did not intend it to be this way."
MARCHESSAULT: "Exactly. He said he never intended to have primarily a fundamentalist Christian as his customers. However, it just worked out that way. Do you remember him making that statement?"
RILEY: "I don't remember ever hearing the words "fundamentalist Christian."
COMMENT: IT WAS NOT SAID!
MARCHESSAULT: Christian organization. Do you remember him saying that, sir?"
RILEY: "Probably, yes."
MARCHESSAULT: "That it was Christians that - - when he looked up and suddenly realized who were his membership, it was almost all Christians?"
RILEY: "That's probably true."
COMMENT: PLEASE TELL THE WORLD WHAT IS WRONG WITH A CHRISTIAN GIVING THANKS FOR A "LIKE-MINDED" GROUP OF BUSINESS OWNERS?? WHAT WAS GREGG'S REAL SINISTER MOTIVE? WHAT'S THE LEGAL ISSUE HERE? IS THE FEDERAL COURT A PROPER VENUE FOR A PROSECUTOR TO EXPRESS HIS VENDETTA AGAINST CHRISTIANS.
(V5,P236-237,L22-25,L1-9)
MARCHESSAULT: "Do you have any idea how TeleCom 2000 could come up with $7,404 when what they're taking in is $1,175 and they're giving everybody involved free cell and free long distance phone service? They're not making any money out of it."
COMMENT: THE MARKETING SERVICES WAS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, FOR OTHERS AND TELECOM 2000 AND CAUSING OVER $1,000,000 PER MONTH IN TAXES TO BE PAID TO THE UNITED STATES, WHO SHUT IT DOWN!
RILEY: I don't have a specific answer to give you, but I can tell you this: A lot of companies - - "
MARCHESSAULT: "If you don't know, that's a "perfect answer". (COMMENT: FOR GREGG'S CONSPIRACY TO CONVICT AL PETTY!) If you know, I would like to know. If you don't know, tell me that. I don't want you to guess. That would be unfair to the jury. Anybody can guess."
COMMENT: NICK NEVER INDICATED HE WAS GUESSING! ONCE MORE GREGG IS "LEADING" THE WITNESS AND "MISLEADING" THE JURY!
RILEY: "I wasn't going to try to guess."
MARCHESSAULT: "Okay. Do you know, sir?"
RILEY: "I do not."
(V5,P238-239,L1-3,L11-25,L1-5)
MARCHESSAULT: ". . These are the payout's of $3625 to you for the various individuals you recruited. I counted a total of 17."
MARCHESSAULT: ". . Do all those names ring a bell, sir?"
RILEY: "YES, SIR."
MARCHESSAULT: "AND YOU WERE PAID $3,625 PER INDIVIDUAL?"
RILEY: "NO, SIR."
MARCHESSAULT: "BUT THERE WAS - - "
RILEY: "I WOULD HAVE BEEN."
MARCHESSAULT: "WOULD HAVE BEEN. IT WAS PROGRAMMED, BUT AS YOU SAID THE GOVERNMENT IN THIS CASE SEIZED THE MONEY."
RILEY: "YES."
COMMENT: WHAT FOLLOWS ARE INCREDIBLY MISLEADING STATEMENTS!
MARCHESSAULT: "Some of these people came in I think it's called at the top, is that right? Bobby Superette came in at Pro 50 at a cost of $51,589.88, and he came in actually February 16th, is that right, sir?"
RILEY: "I would imagine that's correct."
MARCHESSAULT: "HE NEVER RECEIVED A PAYMENT THAT HE EXPECTED, DID HE?"
RILEY: "NO, SIR, HE DID NOT."
MARCHESSAULT: "And the same with Marsha Riley, again, she came in at the Pro 50 level, and again, she actually signed in on 3-1-02, literally within a month of the funds being restrained, and again, she was not paid. Is that a fair statement?"
RILEY: "That's a fair statement."
COMMENT: GREGG KNEW THAT NONE OF THESE PAYMENT SCHEDULES WERE DUE, THAT THE GOVERNMENT CREATED 3,000 VICTIMS!
(V5,P239,L6-20,P240,L6-9)
MARCHESSAULT: "Are you familiar with the term the Business Owners Action Committee?"
RILEY: "I am."
MARCHESSAULT: "And are you in fact one of its members?"
RILEY: "I am."
COMMENT: ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO DECEIVE!
MARCHESSAULT: "Now, the committee was involved in raising funds for the defense of Mr. Petty. Were you involved in that process?"
RILEY: "I was."
MARCHESSAULT: "And were you aware of the two for one guarantee where if you - - as an example, if you give $5,000 to this defense, the committee would guarantee to give you a Pro Ten?"
RILEY: "THAT - - THAT WOULD BE IF AND WHEN WE STARTED BACK UP AGAIN."
COMMENT: UNLESS NICK WOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS THE JURY WOULD HAVE BEEN MISSLEAD INTO THINKING AL PETTY WAS STILL OPERATING!
MARCHESSAULT: "Exactly. In the event that Mr. Petty is acquitted, the funds are unrestrained and TeleCom 2000 gets up and running."
RILEY: "That is true."
MARCHESSAULT: "YOU DO, THOUGH, EXPECT TO AT LEAST GET WHATEVER MONIES YOU'RE OWED UNDER THE PROS THAT YOU PURCHASED. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?"
RILEY: "THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT."
(V5,P240-241,L11-25,excerpts 1-25)
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. SMITH
SMITH: "MR. RILEY, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING UNLAWFUL OR SURREPTITIOUS ABOUT A GROUP OF PERSONS CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEFENSE OF A FELLOW MAN OR A BUSINESS ASSOCIATE?"
RILEY: "NO. I THINK THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY."
SMITH: "OKAY. LET'S SAY WE'RE UP AND RUNNING, OKAY? AT THE NEXT CONTRACT PERIOD, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT AL PETTY AND/OR TELECOM 2000 COULDN'T REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE GUARANTEED REVENUE?"
RILEY: "I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T DO THAT."
SMITH: "GO UP, GO DOWN?
RILEY: "THAT'S CORRECT."
SMITH: "And as TeleCom 2000 develops its product lines and services and generates additional capital, TeleCom 2000 can reduce that venture capital required of a new business, isn't that correct?"
RILEY: "That is correct."
SMITH: ". . . You've got to front load a business to get started."
RILEY: "Absolutely."
SMITH: "You've got to get the money somewhere, is that correct?"
RILEY: "That's true."
SMITH: "And if you have to pay more, it's not unusual to have to pay more interest up front on a new business, is it?"
RILEY: "NO. THAT'S ALSO THE AMERICAN WAY."
SMITH: "MR. RILEY, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS NEXT QUESTION. IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A GOD INSPIRED PROGRAM?"
RILEY: "I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG. IN FACT, I think it would only embellish the program because if you've got people who are like-minded in faith and like-minded in thinking, then they're going to all gel a lot better than having a lot of malcontents in there among them."
SMITH: "TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND YOUR BELIEF, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS ENTERING INTO A BUSINESS VENTURE?"
RILEY: "I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT."
SMITH: "SO IN THE TONE OF THE QUESTION, YOU DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH CHRISTIANS DOING BUSINESS TOGETHER?"
RILEY: "NO, SIR, I CERTAINLY DON'T."
(V5,P242,L3-25,P243,L1-6,15-25,P244,L1-13)
RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. MARCHESSAULT
MARCHESSAULT: "MR. RILEY, YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM. DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO YOU WHERE IT'S COMING FROM AS LONG THE CHECKS ARE THERE?"
COMMENT: WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE IS GREGG ACCUSTOMED TO PROSECUTING OR ASSOCIATING WITH??
RILEY: "OF COURSE IT MATTERS TO ME. If I felt that Al Petty was doing something that was illegal, dishonest or immoral, I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of the organization. But I believe it's just the opposite. I believe that he's a man of integrity, honesty and truth, and I believe that everything that the man has said and done is honest and truth, and I resent the fact that people keep insinuating that we're doing something wrong or something crooked because - - INTERRUPTED
MARCHESSAULT: "WELL, SIR, YOU'RE GOING FAR AFIELD, and I certainly don't want to cast any dispersions against you."
COMMENT: "I.E." YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH AND THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO HEAR! WHAT WAS GREGG DOING?
RILEY: "Thank you."
MARCHESSAULT: "Okay? But you've mentioned that you do care where the money is coming from."
RILEY: "Absolutely."
MARCHESSAULT: "If you found out that the money was coming from other investors, and if you will, this was just a cycle, money came in from new investors and was paid to old investors; Money came in from new investors went to old investors, would that bother you, sir?"
RILEY: "I don't believe that's the case."
MARCHESSAULT: "Well, that's up to the jury to decide. But if it was the case, would that bother you?"
COMMENT: WHY DISCUSS A CORRUPT AND FALSE HYPOTHETICAL?
RILEY: "It would bother me if I was profiting off of somebody else's sorrow, yes."
COMMENT: WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING! I.E. MAKING MONEY FROM TELECOM 2000'S MONEY!
RILEY: "What was the question?"
MARCHESSAULT: ". . . is it your understanding that TeleCom 2000 is engaged in some type of legitimate business operations that are allowing it to pay this significant return?"
RILEY: "I - - I do agree with that. I do believe that."
MARCHESSAULT: "That's - - "
RILEY: "IT'S OVER IN SIX MONTHS. SO WHATEVER PEOPLE COME IN AFTER SIX MONTHS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY SUCCESS OR MY FAILURE."
MARCHESSAULT: "I understand. But has anyone ever told you that the way the returns were being made to TeleCom 2000 investors was that old investors were being paid with new investor monies?"
RILEY: "That was never discussed, ever."
MARCHESSAULT: ". . GETTING BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF A GOD INSPIRED PROGRAM, DO YOU SEE SOMETHING WRONG, SIR, WHERE YOU FASHION A PROGRAM THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FRAUDULENT AT ITS VERY CORE AND THEN TELLING OTHERS THAT IN FACT IT'S GOD INSPIRED? WOULD YOU FIND THAT TROUBLING?"
COMMENT: WHAT IS THIS "OBSESSED - WITH - PERSECUTION" - NUT TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH!?
RILEY: "I KNOW OF NO PROGRAM LIKE THAT"
MARCHESSAULT: "I DIDN'T SAY THAT THIS ONE WAS. (COMMENT: "THIS ONE" IS THE ONLY "ONE" ON TRIAL! WHAT ELSE COULD OR SHOULD HE BE TALKING ABOUT? HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TELECOM 2000 - AL PETTY!) I'm just saying if the jury were to find such a program was and that it was marketed as God inspired, would you find that troubling?"
RILEY: "I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE."
(V5,P244-245,L14-25,L1-10)
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. SMITH
COMMENT: EXCELLENT J.R.!
SMITH: "HOW OLD ARE YOU?"
RILEY: "I'M 67 YEARS OLD."
SMITH: "DO YOU GET SOCIAL SECURITY?"
RILEY: "I DO."
SMITH: "DO YOU LIKE GETTING SOCIAL SECURITY?"
RILEY: "NOT VERY WELL."
SMITH: "OKAY. BUT YOU GET A CHECK?"
RILEY: "I GET A CHECK."
SMITH: "HOW DO YOU THINK THAT MONEY IS BEING GENERATED?"
COMMENT: WOW!
MARCHESSAULT: "Your Honor, relevance."
HANNAH: "SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION."
COMMENT: ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT! HORRIBLE JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT BY HANNAH!!!
SMITH: "IF OLD INVESTORS ARE BEING PAID WITH NEW INVESTMENTS, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT?"
RILEY: "NO, IT'S DONE - - "
SMITH: "AND IF THOSE INVESTORS, THOSE NEW INVESTORS BECOME OLD INVESTORS AND NEW INVESTORS COME IN OVER HERE, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT?"
RILEY: "NOT IN MY MIND."
(V5,P245-246,excerpts L11-25,L1-22)
RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. MARCHESSAULT
MARCHESSAULT: "HOWEVER, SIR, YOU WEREN'T EVER TOLD THAT, WERE YOU?"
HANNAH: "HE'S ALREADY TESTIFIED THAT HE ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT TOLD THAT."
COMMENT: NICK DID NOT TESTIFY "THAT HE ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT TOLD THAT"! HE TESTIFIED "THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED, EVER." IF THESE "TRAVESTIES" DO NOT REPRESENT A CLEAR DEFINITION OF A "CONSPIRACY TO CONVICT AN INNOCENT MAN", NOTHING DOES! WHY DID THE JUDGE FEEL COMPELLED TO MAKE THAT FALSE STATEMENT???
MARCHESSAULT: "No further questions."
HANNAH: "Show the jury out."
COMMENT: NOTICE WHAT THE JUDGE SAYS AFTER HE GETS RID OF THE JURY! ONCE AGAIN THE JUDGE EXPRESSES HIS "DEER FEVER" AS OPPOSED TO HIS CONCERN FOR SENDING AN INNOCENT MAN TO PRISON FOR LIFE!
HANNAH: " . . . How many more witnesses do you have, Mr. Smith?"
SMITH: "Sixteen."
HANNAH: "Are they all going to be the same type?"
SMITH: "Basically."
COMMENT: WOW! WHAT "TYPE" OF WITNESSES DID HE ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO PARADE?
HANNAH: "Well, do you think you need to run 20 or 30 witnesses that testify to the same thing?
COMMENT: THE GOVERNMENT JUST RAN _____ "WITNESSES BY" FOR 6 1/2 DAYS?
SMITH: "With all due respect, Your Honor, for six days the Government ran witnesses through here from the FBI and IRS saying the same thing about my client. I don't see anything wrong with me running people in here saying the opposite."
HANNAH: "Well, I disagree with your characterization of the Government's testimony, and I would agree with my characterization of your testimony.
COMMENT: NATURALLY THE JUDGE WOULD AGREE WITH HIS OWN "CHARACTERIZATION" OF WITNESSES! HE IS BLATANTLY LYING!
HANNAH(Cont): I JUST WONDERED IF THAT'S ALL YOU WERE GOING TO DO OR DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER TYPE OF WITNESSES, BECAUSE I'M SINCERELY NOT MAKING A DECISION NOW, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO DAYS OF THE PEOPLE SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER, I QUITE FRANKLY DON'T SEE WHERE THAT GETS YOU. IT MAY PLEASE YOUR CLIENT, BUT I'M NOT AT ALL SURE THAT IT'S FORWARDING YOUR CASE. BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT DECISION TO YOU TEMPORARILY."
COMMENT: IN OTHER WORDS, I MAY DECIDE TO CUT OFF YOUR WITNESSES UNLESS YOU CONFORM TO MY OPINION!!
HANNAH: "All right. Let's stand at ease."
HANNAH: "Anything we need to take up before I bring the jury in?"
