(V6,P3,excerpts L6-19,P4,L1-13)
SMITH: "Ms. Vincent, will you please state your full name for the jury?"
VINCENT: "Clenise Victoria Vincent."
SMITH: "And where do you reside, please?"
VINCENT: "In Lower Burrow, Pennsylvania. It's about 40 minutes north of Pittsburg, Pennsylvania."
SMITH: "And I think you've been driving through the night to get here this morning."
VINCENT: ". . when I heard that I would be a potential witness, I - - THE SITUATION, WITH THE MONEY BEING FROZEN, I - - I rented a car. My husband was nervous, but I drove through the night and listened to a lot of good music and I'm here."
KENNER: "Objection, Your Honor."
VINCENT: "About the - -"
HANNAH: "I'll - -"
VINCENT: "SORRY."
HANNAH: "Ms. Benson."
VINCENT: "Yes."
HANNAH: "Your job will be to listen to the questions closely and give short, truthful, concise answers."
VINCENT: "Okay."
HANNAH: "Thank you."
VINCENT: "Can you see that that's a problem for me?"
COMMENT: IS THERE A VALID REASON WHY THAT HANNAH COULD NOT HAVE SHOWN HER THE RESPECT AND COURTESY TO REPLY WITH SOMETHING LIKE "MS. VINCENT, (& GOT HER NAME RIGHT, FOR A CHANGE!), "HERE IN COURT, YOU MUST GIVE SHORT, CONCISE AND TRUTHFUL ANSWERS", RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO INTIMIDATE HER FROM THE BEGINNING AS HE DEFINITELY DID?
HANNAH: "WELL, IT WON'T BE VERY LONG."
VINCENT: "Okay."
(V6,P5,L22-25,P6,excerpts L1-13,P7,excerpts L1-25)
SMITH: ". . when did you become involved in TeleCom 2000?"
VINCENT: "Back in June of 2001 a gentleman called me, who I had never met. . . he was actually selling a different product. It was about pets, but he mentioned something about that he was getting his telephone service paid for and getting to it for very inexpensive. . . So when someone said something to me about saving on long distance, I was very interested in what he had to say. . . I truly didn't think that it was going to be something legitimate."
SMITH: ". . to what degree did you become involved in TeleCom 2000 . ."
VINCENT: "Well, in the beginning I purchased what is called a Pro Four, which was around $4,400 rounded off roughly."
SMITH: "When did you do that?"
VINCENT: "That was in June of 2001."
VINCENT: ". . I received full pay for . ."
SMITH: ". . did you later expand that investment? Did you buy more businesses at some point in time?"
VINCENT: "I did buy more businesses. I - - I was paid back the referral fee for the actual - -"
HANNAH: "Mrs. Benson, let me give you that as an example. He asked you did you buy more businesses."
COMMENT: VINCENT (WOW)
VINCENT: "Yes, I did. Thank you."
HANNAH: "Okay. Now, if - -"
VINCENT: "Just - -"
HANNAH: "If he wants to know something else, he'll ask you."
COMMENT: i.e. DO NOT TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH - THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE DEFENDANT - JUST SAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR!
(V6,P8,L19-25,P9,excerpts L1-23,P10&11,excerpts L17-25,L1-7)
SMITH: ". . did you also sign up for the long distance services?"
VINCENT: "Yes, I did."
SMITH: ". . did you also sign up for cell phone usage?"
VINCENT: "Yes, I did."
SMITH: ". . And were those products and services part of the - - of your interest in TeleCom 2000?"
VINCENT: "INITIALLY IT WAS MY ONLY INTEREST."
SMITH: "Okay. Very good. Now, in regard to that first contract from your PRO Four, were the terms of the contract actually carried out as represented?"
VINCENT: "Yes, they were."
VINCENT: "I received my cell phone. I received my long distance and I was paid according to the autopay schedule that was explained to me on the conference call and in the time frame that it was explained to me."
SMITH: "And subsequent to - - after that contract was over, you decided to make further investments?"
VINCENT: ". . it wasn't until January that I OPENED A NEW CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTH PERIOD OF TIME AS A PRO 50, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID OUT IN FULL BY NOW HAD THE GOVERNMENT NOT FROZEN THE MONEY."
SMITH: ". . DO YOU RECALL OR REMEMBER HEARING AL PETTY SAYING WHY HE FOUNDED TELECOM 2000?"
VINCENT: "HE WOULD SAY THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE THE SAYING THAT "THE RICH GET RICHER, THE POOR GET POORER", THAT THERE'S NOT SO MUCH OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY AMERICAN TO BE ABLE TO BECOME FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT. . .THAT WAS AL'S IMPETUS FOR STARTING TELECOM 2000, AND TRULY THE JOY THAT HE RECEIVED."
(V6,P11,L13-25,P12,L1-25,P13,L1-25,P14,L1-2)
SMITH: "And a result of those representations, is that why you, among other things, decided to enter into this contract, enter into the businesses?"
VINCENT: "Yes, because I felt that there would be a way that I could finally get financially independent and I would be able to spend more time with my family and with my son.
I also - - it was - - on the conference calls, when you look at a background of a person, that's real important for me. Al created something in music where he - - you could go into a studio and instead of hiring a whole orchestra you could - - "KENNER: "Objection, Your Honor, relevance."
VINCENT: " - - pay ten percent of that money - -
HANNAH: "I'm going to let this go."
COMMENT: VERY RELEVANT TO "UNBELIEVABLES" ACCOMPLISHED BY AL PETTY! SAME PRINCIPLES HE USED TO CREATE TELECOM 2000! JOHN R. HATED THESE RELEVANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS!
VINCENT: "THANK YOU. THANK YOU. INSTEAD OF HIRING A WHOLE ORCHESTRA, YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TO PAY 10 PERCENT OF THAT MONEY, WITH WHAT HE CREATED, WHICH WAS A GUITORCHESTRA WHERE YOU PLAY ALL THOSE INSTRUMENTS RIGHT THERE. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE HAD PROVEN AND DONE.
IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT THAT HE APPLIED TO TELECOM 2000 WHERE IN THE MARKETPLACE THEY - - YOU HAVE TO PAY 90 PERCENT OF THAT MONEY FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COSTS OF RUNNING A BUSINESS, THE REAL ESTATE, THE HIRING OF THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO INTO RUNNING A BUSINESS. AL WAS ABLE TO DO THAT FOR A TENTH OF THE COST WITH HIS LOW OVERHEAD AND USING THE MARKET SPACE, WHICH IS THE TECHNOLOGY, THE DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY.THAT WAS WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME. AS YOU LISTEN TO THREE CONFERENCE CALLS A WEEK, YOU'RE ABLE TO GET TO KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF A PERSON AND YOU'RE ABLE TO BECOME INTERESTED IN A TRUST FACTOR.NOW, THERE'S 3,000 OF US THAT HAVE NEVER EVEN MET EACH OTHER, BUT FOR EIGHT MONTHS (SINCE SHUTDOWN!) WE'VE HELD SOLID, EVEN THOUGH OUT OF THE BLUE ONE DAY THE MONEY WAS FROZEN."SMITH: "AT ANY POINT IN TIME UP UNTIL APRIL 4TH OF THIS YEAR, MS. VINCENT, DID YOU FEEL THAT YOU WERE ENGAGED IN ANY TYPE OF UNLAWFUL OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY?"
VINCENT: "NO. I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT IF I THOUGHT IT WAS ILLEGAL.
SMITH: ". . AND SO YOU DID FEEL THAT - - THAT TELECOM 2000 WAS A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS?"
VINCENT: "YES."
SMITH: "AND WHY DID YOU FEEL THAT WAY?"
VINCENT: "WELL, THE TESTIMONY THAT I HEARD OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE GETTING THE CHECKS FOR THEIR PHONE BILL. PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I DID THIS BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAVE MONEY ON MY TELEPHONE BILL SO THAT I COULD SELL HEALTH PRODUCTS. SO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GETTING PAID MONEY ON THEIR TELEPHONE BILL WAS TO ME A LEGITIMATE - - THE MONEY, THE CHECKS WERE THERE. THE PHONES WERE BEING RECEIVED. PEOPLE WERE USING THEM.
AND ALSO I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS A PRODUCT THAT ISN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE. IT'S IN DEMAND. THE SECURITY OF THE COMPANY TO ME WAS VERY SOLID BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO ALWAYS USE A TELEPHONE AND CELL PHONE, SO - - "SMITH: ". .YOU MENTIONED MARKETPLACE AND MARKET SPACE. What are you - -"
VINCENT: "I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT. I MADE SOME NOTES. OKAY."
KENNER: "YOUR HONOR, MAY I TAKE THIS WITNESS ON VOIR DIRE FOR A MOMENT?"
COMMENT: WHY DID HANNAH ALLOW KENNER TO INTERRUPT CLENICE? TRACI HAD ASKED VIRTUALLY EVERYONE TO EXPLAIN HOW THE OPERATION WORKED. NOW IT IS OBVIOUS THAT SHE DID NOT WANT ANYONE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION!
HANNAH: "You may."
VINCENT: "What does that mean?"
HANNAH: "You answer some more questions."
VINCENT: "Okay."
VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY MS. KENNER
(V6,P14-15,L14-25&L1-12)
COMMENT: KENNER ATTEMPTS TO DISQUALIFY CLENICE IN ORDER TO PREVENT HER FROM PRESENTING THE TRUTH!
KENNER: "I understood that your degree was in dance. Is that correct."
VINCENT: "Professional dance."
KENNER: "Professional dance. Did you take any business classes in conjunction with that?"
VINCENT: "Just, you know, the basic ones in high school and the basic ones that you have to take for general ed."
KENNER: "Did you take any marketing classes?"
VINCENT: "No, I did not."
KENNER: "Did you take any classes in computers?"
VINCENT: "Just basic. I mean, not - - no, I did not."
KENNER: "So you're not any kind of computer science major?"
VINCENT: "No."
KENNER: "And in your work experience, you've had home based businesses, I believe?"
VINCENT: "Yes, I have."
HANNAH: "WHAT ARE WE GETTING TO ON THIS, MS. KENNER?"
COMMENT: THE PROSECUTION HAS CONTINUALLY "GETTING INTO" AREAS THEY WERE NOT "EXPERT" IN! HERSLEY'S COMPUTER ILLITERACY, PLUS A LARGE PORTION OF THEIR TESTIMONY.
KENNER: "I BELIEVE SHE''S ABOUT TO OFFER EXPERT TESTIMONY ON MARKETING CONCEPTS AS WELL AS DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY."
VINCENT: "IF YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED ME THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO."
HANNAH: "LET'S SEE WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE THEN."
KENNER: "THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR."
DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONT.) BY MR. SMITH
(V6,P15,L15-25,P16,L1-25,P17,L1-25,L18,P1-25,P19,L1-2&13-25,P20,L1-7)
SMITH: "I was really asking about your opinion and your particular concept of something that you referred to in your direct examination thus far, and that is market place and market space. That's all I was asking."
COMMENT: CLENICE VOLUNTEERS TO ANSWER THE MOST ASKED QUESTION BY PROSECUTION! HOW DOES IT WORK?
VINCENT: "Okay. What I'm doing is something that every business owner in TeleCom 2000 has the right to know, which is WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM. . .
The impetus for this is last night after driving all this time, my husband called and said that Agent Hersley - - I recognized you - - had called my best friend, my father-in-law and different people questioning them, and that the overall impression that I wrote down - -COMMENT: I BELIEVE HER EXPLANATION OF "REASON" TO BE VERY RELEVANT, AND OF INTEREST TO THE "DISINTERESTED JURY"! (HANNAH'S QUOTE!)
SMITH: "What I'm really asking here, rather than - -"
VINCENT: ". . but I'm saying the impetus that I had in wanting to explain this part is because I think that it will answer - - when the jury goes to deliberate - -"
HANNAH: "Excuse me, ma'am."
VINCENT: "Oh, I'm sorry."
HANNAH: "UNLESS YOU LISTEN TO THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS ASKED, I'M GOING TO EXCUSE YOU."
VINCENT: "Okay."
HANNAH: "YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TESTIFY AT ALL."
VINCENT: "Okay."
HANNAH: "DO YOU UNDERSTAND?"
VINCENT: "YES, I DO."
HANNAH: "Thank you. Go ahead with your questions. Ask a question."
SMITH: "Do you have something - -"
SMITH: " - - that relates - -"
SMITH: " - - to us about MARKETPLACE AND MARKET SPACE?"
VINCENT: "Yes. This is just a basic breakdown of the - - A MARKETPLACE IS ACTUALLY LIKE A PHYSICAL PLACE. MARKET SPACE IS MORE OR LESS WHAT YOU DO THROUGH DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY AND THROUGH OUT SOURCING OFFICES.
COMMENT: FINALLY! SOMEONE TELLS THE REAL TRUTH, J. R. SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOUNDING! HE NEVER DID "GET IT", THOUGHT CLENICE WAS A "WIRED - LOONEY!!!
I'M AN OUT SOURCED OFFICE THROUGH TELECOM 2000. THAT MEANS THAT I HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS AT MY HOUSE. I BUY MY OWN COMPUTER. I PAY FOR MY OWN HEALTH BILLS. I PAY ALL OF MY OWN EXPENSES, SO THEN AL IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE OR ALL THE DIFFERENT COSTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE MARKET PLACE, WHICH FOR ME, WHEN I LISTEN TO COMMERCIALS AND BIG MOVIE STARS ARE RECOMMENDING TO USE A CERTAIN CELL PHONE, THAT'S A BIG EXPENSE. OR WHEN THERE'S BIG COMMERCIALS ON T.V. THERE'S A LOT OF STAFFING. THERE'S PAYROLL. THERE'S ENGINEERS. THERE'S MANAGERS. THERE'S EXECUTIVES. THERE'S WORK STATIONS. THERE'S BIG REAL ESTATE. THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE SPENT IN OVERHEAD COSTS IN THE BIG COMPANIES. THIS IS WHAT I WAS FAMILAR WITH BEFORE FROM WATCHING T.V. AND THE BIG COMPANIES.SO IN MARKET SPACE, THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT CONCEPT IN THE SENSE THAT AL IS ABLE TO OPERATE A BUSINESS USING VERY LOW MARKET SPACE COSTS. HE ONLY HAS A FEW EMPLOYEES. HE IS ABLE TO BASICALLY DO THE SAME THING HE DID WITH THE GUITORCHESTRA. HE'S ABLE TO OPERATE ON 90 PERCENT LESS COST OF OVERHEAD, AND THAT PROFIT CAN THEN GO TO BE - - TO PAYING US A HIGHER PAYOUT ON WHAT HE PROMISES FOR USING THE PRODUCT, WHICH IS THE TELEPHONE OR THE LONG DISTANCE, AND FOR REFERRING PEOPLE TO THE COMPANY.COMMENT: EXCELLENT AND TRUTHFUL - ACCURATE "LAY PERSON" ANALYSIS!
REFERRALS IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE LIFE BLOOD OF ANY BUSINESS. BUT FOR ME IT WAS ALSO MUCH EASIER TO BE ABLE TO REFER JUST BY GIVING A PHONE NUMBER TO AL BECAUSE HE DOES THE MARKETING, ALL OF THE MARKETING AND ADVERTISING FOR ME.THE REASON I FAILED OR HAD A HARD TIME IN MY HOME BUSINESS IS BECAUSE AS HUMAN BEINGS WE DON'T DO WELL WITH REJECTION, AND I WAS TRAINED IN MY BUSINESS THAT I HAD TO CALL 20 TO 50 PEOPLE A DAY WITH THE HOPES THAT MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE WOULD RESPOND TO ME AND MAYBE ONE PERSON WOULD SIGN UP WITH ME, AND THOSE ARE HIGH REJECTION RATIOS AND THAT'S WHY MOST PEOPLE DON'T SUCCEED.IN TELECOM I'M ABLE TO GIVE AN 800 NUMBER. THAT PERSON THEN CALLS THE NUMBER AND AL TAKES CARE OF ALL THE MARKETING AND ALL THE EXPLANATION OF THE BUSINESS. AND I ALSO LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET MUDDLED IN ALL OF US TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE BUSINESS.THEN THEY FOLLOW THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT I DID OF LEAVING THEIR NAME, THEIR FAX NUMBER. THEY GET THE FAXED PAGES. THEN THEY HAVE AN INVITATION TO THE CONFERENCE CALL, WHICH AT THE CONFERENCE CALL THEY'RE EXPLAINED AGAIN IN A TWO TO THREE HOUR CONFERENCE CALL AND THEIR QUESTIONS THEY CAN ANSWER. THIS IS THE PROCESS I WENT THROUGH.THIS IS MARKET SPACE. THERE - - WE'RE ALL MEETING ON THE TELEPHONE. WE'RE NOT MEETING WITH ALL OF THESE HIGH MARKETPLACE COSTS. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THE MONEY THAT SEEMS SO EXORBITANT THAT WE'RE PAID IS AVAILABLE."SMITH: "Through low overhead you can pay greater revenues on investments, is that correct?"
COMMENT: J.R. DIDN'T HEAR 5%! THROUGH DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY IN MARKET SPACE, TELECOM 2000-AL PETTY CUT COSTS 90% - LOWER OVERHEAD WAS SMALL PART OF EQUATION!
VINCENT: "OKAY. SO THE PRODUCT IS $20, LET'S SAY, FOR LONG DISTANCE AND CELL PHONE. THAT GOES EVEN ON BOTH SIDES, ON THE MARKETPLACE AND THE MARKET SPACE. BUT IN THE MARKETING THAT I DESCRIBED OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, THE TECHNICIANS, THE REAL ESTATE, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, THE ADVISORY BOARD, THE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES, THE MEGA MILLION DOLLAR FACILITIES AND STRUCTURES, THE COST OF SIGNING UP AND REPLACING. THEIR ATTRITION RATE IS VERY HIGH IN LONG DISTANCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CALLED ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET - - THEY WANT TO GET A BETTER DEAL. WE HAVE BASICALLY A ZERO ATTRITION RATE SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE COSTS."
SMITH: "AND THE BASIC ATTRITION RATE - -
COMMENT: INTERRUPTION! SHE JUST SAID "ZERO"! WHAT PART OF "Z-E-R-O" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
VINCENT: "So what happens is - - pardon?"
SMITH: "The basic attrition rate in the 3,000 that are in TeleCom 2000, is that what you're talking about?"
VINCENT: "Yes. WE DON'T HAVE AN ATTRITION RATE BECAUSE EVERYONE IS SO HAPPY. WE'RE HAPPY CUSTOMERS. WE'RE GETTING OUR PRODUCT. WE'RE USING OUR PRODUCT, PLUS WE'RE GETTING PAID A VERY, VERY HIGH AMOUNT OF MONEY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE'RE USED TO MAKING."
(V6,P20,L20-25,P21,L1-25,P22,L1-5&14-20)
SMITH: "ARE YOU USING THE MARKETING FACILITIES IN 2000 IN ORDER TO PROMOTE YOUR OWN BUSINESS?"
VINCENT: "I'LL TELL YOU THE TRUTH, ONCE I GOT MY FULL PAYOUT OF THE - - WHEN I INVESTED MY TIME WITH MY CHILD - - I CALL IT AN INVESTMENT - - I WAS MAKING WHAT I SAY IN MY MIND AN INVESTMENT OF TIME IN MY BUSINESS WITH THE HEALTH PRODUCTS, BUT NOW I don't have to do that. I'm being - - "
SMITH: "You don't have any health products to promote?"
VINCENT: "Well, I could if I wanted to but - -"
SMITH: "That's what I wanted to ask, if you had some other products, is TeleCom 2000 one way to promote that, those products?"
COMMENT: NO!! THERE IS NO FACTUAL BASIS FOR THIS "TOO-FREQUENT" ASSERTION BY JOHN. R. SMITH!
VINCENT: "Well, I would never even think to do that. I've never - - THAT''S NEVER EVEN CROSSED MY MIND. ."
COMMENT: NOR ANYONE ELSE'S EXCEPT "INEFFICIENT" JOHN R.!
SMITH: "On the conference call, I was just asking if you have a conference call and you have 3,000 people out there or customer base of 3,000 people, that's a pretty good market in and of itself to sell your products."
COMMENT: TELECOM 2000'S CALL WAS NOT AN "E-BAY AUCTION!" WOW!
VINCENT: "The way that the conference call is run is that Al has the ability - -
SMITH: "Okay. I know how - -"
HANNAH: "LET HER GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION."
VINCENT: "AL HAS THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE EVERYBODY OUT WHILE HE EXPLAINS THE BUSINESS, AND THEN AL IS VERY - - THE REASON THAT THIS WORKED, THE CONCEPT SEEMS VERY SIMPLE, BUT PUTTING IT IN PRACTICE IS NOT THAT SIMPLE. AL HAS THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO LEAD THE CONFERENCE CALLS. HE'S GOT AN ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO TEACH THE PRINCIPALS. SINCE HE CREATED THEM, HE KNOWS HOW TO TEACH THEM. AND HE CAN BLOCK OUT THE NEW CALLERS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE WANTING TO TALK WHILE HE EXPLAINS THE BUSINESS. AND HE CAN CHOOSE THE OPTION WHEN HE'S - - WHEN IT'S TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUSINESS, THAT'S WHEN HE'LL OPEN UP THE LINES FOR QUESTIONS AND THAT'S USUALLY AT THE END. SO IT'S NOT EVEN - - IT CAN'T EVEN BE USED THAT WAY, EVEN IF I WANTED TO."
HANNAH: "So there's your answer, Mr. Smith."
SMITH: ". . AT ANY TIME, MS. VINCENT, FROM THE BEGINNING, THE MIDDLE AND UP TO THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, DID YOU EVER FEEL THAT YOU WERE ENGAGED IN SOME TYPE OF UNLAWFUL SCHEME?"
VINCENT: "ABSOLUTELY NOT."
SMITH: "AND DO YOU INTEND TO CONTINUE YOUR ASSOCIATION WITH TELECOM 2000?"
VINCENT: "ABSOLUTELY."
CROSS EXAMINATION BY MS. KENNER
V6,P24,L8--25,P25,L4-19&24-25,P26,L1-25,P27,L1-11)
KENNER: "How many did you listen to before you invested?"
VINCENT: "I listened to the first . . . There was another woman that did the health products that I mentioned to her, I said, my goodness, this guy told me that we could save on our long distance and cell phone, because I knew she couldn't afford her telephone either.
. . SHE CALLED ME UP THE NEXT DAY AND SHE SAID, CLENISE, I'M GOING TO INVEST $1300 IN TELECOM 2000. AND I SAID, KATHY, YOU CAN'T AFFORD THAT, THAT WOULD BE CRAZY FOR YOU TO DO THAT, YOU SHOULD NOT DO THAT. AND SHE SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO INVEST IT BECAUSE I LISTENED TO THE CONFERENCE CALL AND HE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THE BUSINESS WORKS AND HOW I'LL BE GETTING MY CELL PHONE AND MY LONG - - SO SHE UNDERSTOOD IT. I DIDN'T. SO WHAT I SAID WAS TO HER - - "VINCENT: ". . then she said, well, if you don't want to listen to the conference call, then I'm going to let this other gentleman sponsor me. That would have meant that the referral fee, which is $3,600 would pass me up. So I said, you know what, if this - - I don't - - if there's a possibility that I could make $3,600 by listening to a conference call and becoming a business owner and because I told you to call, then I could refer you, I'm going to listen to the conference call.
. . that was really my impetus. So I did listen that night to the conference call. And I was worried also about the amount of money, and so I called the next day to the number that was on the faxed pages and I actually spoke with Al about some of the questions that I had, which made it more clear for me, some of the things that I might not have understood, and at that time, that's when I decided to go ahead and not only purchased a Pro One but to do a Pro Four."KENNER: ". . When you heard the conference call before you spoke with Mr. Petty, what was your understanding of what TeleCom 2000 was selling?
VINCENT: You're asking what I understood before the second day?"
KENNER: "Before you talked with him, yes, just from listening to the conference call, what did you understand?"
VINCENT: "Well, what I understood was that you're able to either have - - there are two options the way I understood it."
COMMENT: CLENICE ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER, THEN HANNAH INTERRUPTS.
HANNAH: "She asked you what did you understand that you were selling, that the company was selling.
VINCENT: ". . Two and a half cents long distance. If I became a business owner, that's when it could have become free - - free for the long distance and the cell phone in the sense that you would get a check to compensate your cost. That was the part that was confusing to me, because I had to change over my long distance to a new company, so I was getting - - I was getting billed. So I said, well, how is it going to be free if I'm getting a long distance bill. That was important to me. And so then that's when I understood that I would be getting a check from TeleCom 2000 to cover the cost of what I was being billed by the phone company and the cell phone company."
KENNER: "This is on the conference call?"
VINCENT: "That's explained on the - - well, there's actually a chart."
KENNER: "Okay."
VINCENT: "And it shows that when - - it's actually not until the third (2nd) month that you receive your first long distance."
KENNER: "I'm going to back you up again, ma'am."
VINCENT: "Sure."
KENNER: "And I'm sorry. On the conference call when you listened, before you spoke with Mr. Petty - -"
VINCENT: "YES."
COMMENT: NOW THAT CLENICE ANSWERED THE "SELLING" QUESTION, KENNER DEMES ASKING THAT QUESTION!
KENNER: "WHAT DID YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE KIND OF RETURNS that you WERE GOING TO BE RECEIVING, IF YOU INVESTED IN TELECOM 2000?"
COMMENT: A NEW QUESTION!
VINCENT: "This is all on the faxed pages that you receive so - -"
HANNAH: "She didn't ask you where it was. She asked you what did you understand it to be. What did you understand it to be?"
COMMENT: HANNAH IGNORES THE FACT THAT KENNER WAS RIDICULING CLENICE BY ASKING TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS!
(V6,P27,L23-25,P28,L1-8&12-25,P29,L1-4&20-23,P30,L7-8)
KENNER: "You got the money part down from the conference call. You understood what it would cost to INVEST?"
VINCENT: "TO BUY A BUSINESS."
KENNER: ". . what we're going to do is we're going to have to disagree on that nomenclature because I say invest and in fact Mr. Smith - -"
HANNAH: ". . let's go ahead and ask the question."
COMMENT: KENNER ADMITS HER "HANDICAP" OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SIMPLY "SAY WHAT SHE MEANS!"
KENNER: "When I say invest, will you understand that I'm referring to what you're probably thinking of as purchasing a business?"
KENNER: ". . Now, what did you understand about the investment portion or buying the business from the conference call?"
HANNAH: "That's a broad question. Narrow it down. What do you understand about, that could go on forever and probably would."
KENNER: "What did you understand you were buying when you bought a TeleCom 2000 Network business from listening to that conference call?"
VINCENT: "I was buying the opportunity to be able to have my long distance and my cell phone - - I WOULD BE CHANGING OVER TO ANOTHER COMPANY AND HAVE THAT REIMBURSED TO ME, WHICH WAS MY WHOLE IMPETUS FOR CALLING. That in itself was going to be saving me out of my personal cost three to $400 a month, because I was paying to a regular phone company.
KENNER: "So you - - if I'm understanding you correctly, you thought you were sort of buying a prepaid long distance and cell phone service?"
VINCENT: "No, I TOLD YOU it wasn't prepaid."
VINCENT: "I was not buying into the company. I was getting my services from a long distance server and I was getting my cell phone from a long distance server, but I WAS BECOMING A BUSINESS OWNER WITH TELECOM 2000. . .
VINCENT: "NOW, IF YOU - - IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PAGES, YOU CAN'T GET ON THE CALL BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE SENSE."
COMMENT: CLENICE DID NOT HAVE THE "TICKET" INFO PACKAGE! THIS IS WHY SHE DID NOT GRASP IT BETTER. SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE CALL! This is a prime example of a valid reason Al Petty was so successful! He mandated that an honest and "line upon line-precept upon precept" be followed to AVOID MISUNDERSTANDINGS!
(V6,P30,L18-25,P31,L1-2,9-14,21-25,P32,excerpts L1-11)
HANNAH: "I'M GIVING YOU THREE MORE MINUTES WITH THIS WITNESS. YOU'LL HAVE A MINUTE ON REDIRECT AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF IT."
COMMENT: WOW - YET HE ALLOWED EXORBITANT AMOUNTS OF TIME TO MARCHESSAULT AND HERSLEY TO "EXPLAIN" THE GOVERNMENTS "SYMPATHY FOR THE VICTIMS", A TOPIC THAT HE THEN DECLARED WAS "INADMISSABLE" AND TOLD THE JURY TO IGNORE IT!
KENNER: "On this conference call did you ever hear - - or in your conversation with Mr. Petty the next day, did he ever explain to you where he was getting the money to pay the kind of returns he was paying on your personal business in TeleCom 2000?"
VINCENT: "On the conference call he - -"
COMMENT: ANOTHER NEEDLESS INTERRUPTION.
KENNER: On the conference call first, what did he say?"
VINCENT: "On the conference call he explained how the money is broken, down in the referral process, and also he explained how the money is broken down when you buy further businesses in the market space."
KENNER: "I understand that, ma'am, and I'm going to - - my question was DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. PETTY WAS GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY THE KIND OF RETURNS HE WAS PROMISING?"
VINCENT: I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW THE FAX MACHINE WORKS THAT I GOT THE INFORMATION ON."
COMMENT: THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER! MOST THINGS WE USE, WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND!
HANNAH: "That's your last question."
COMMENT: BY STOPPING HER, HE DISCREDITTED THE BEST EXPLANATION GIVEN REGARDING HOW THE MONEY WAS GENERATED! CLENICE HAD ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, "WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM - VERY WELL! BUT NO ONE, INCLUDING J.R. AND HANNAH GOT IT; AND GREGG AND TRACI QUICKLY REJECTED IT!
VINCENT: ". . May I just say one last thing?"
HANNAH: "NO, MA'AM."
